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explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology ones as

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well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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you know all sorts of weird and various

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types of beings sure Timbo let's see

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they're devils and angels and hookahs

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and mermaids and just all sorts of

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mysterious creatures that haunt the dark

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places that border between the light and

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madness well you know I kind of like the

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way that mermaid over there is flapping

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her yeah I asked her out but I don't

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think my fish tank is big enough for

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both of us and I'm not sure how to

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approach the subject if you having her

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for dinner

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but maybe I'll let the president talk to

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me because he's so articulate and gets

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right to the the point he is it she is a

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real flapper isn't she yeah yeah well

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you cook your Tim now realer in just

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like we're reeling in the audience that

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I just like we do every week on kco our

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or a do because it's a great show we

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have a great producer and we have the

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most fabulous guest in this universe and

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beyond this universe and all the

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alternate universes why don't you tell

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us who we're going to be speaking to

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this evening so that we can get this

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show on the road around the water or

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wherever we're taking

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I'll be my pleasure to you well tonight

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I'm very pleased to say that we finally

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have Marie D Jones on I know a couple

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times that I've tried to get Marie on

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and our schedules didn't mesh but

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finally tonight we talk Marie into it so

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she is here with us now Marie is the

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author of over 15 non-fiction books on

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cutting edge science the paranormal

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conspiracies ancient knowledge and

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unknown mysteries now I never most

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recent book that we'll be talking about

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tonight I know she's got another one

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that I don't know if it's been released

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yet or not but tonight we're gonna be

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talking about Brooke demons devils and

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dark angels a history now with Marie

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tonight is also Varla Ventura now I've

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always been on the show before

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unfortunately Tim you weren't here that

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no no what is that when you lock me in

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the back room or something like that was

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it that's right that's right as I was I

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was back there with five mermaids that

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night I think it was now I I thought I'd

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thrown away the key but you managed to

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get your way I I escaped I came up

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through the portal from al

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but now Varla was born just outside of

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the wild jungle of San Francisco and she

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moved to the gold streak foothills of

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Northern California where as a young

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girl her family you know they drew water

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from an old well and use kerosene lamps

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in the night now Varla is she's the host

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of her own podcast farl adventurers

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tales of the strange it's a peak weekly

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podcast dedicated to strange and unusual

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fascinating tales real and imagined

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Varla is also the author of some just

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absolutely fascinating books I have them

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right here with me she yeah well

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banshees werewolves vampires and other

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creatures of the night among the

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mermaids facts myths and enchantments

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from the sirens of the sea and faeries

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pukas and changelings a complete guide

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to the wild and wicked enchanted realm

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so we're going to be talking about all

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kinds of

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weird mysterious and possibly demonic

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creatures on exploring the bazaar well

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you know I got to find out what a puka

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is because I don't think I've ever run

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into one of those you know Tim I I

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remember a couple of years back we

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worked on a book I think it's called

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UFOs time slips other realms and the

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science of fairies yes there was a

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collection of stories of from mythology

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and from parallel dimensions and

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universes now we had a lot in there on

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the Feria kicking the record Jacques

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Vallee is even written on the comparison

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between some of the early fairy stories

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and the UFO abductions and encounters

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and some of these little bukas I don't

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know if they're pocus but some of these

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little poobahs they all kind of seemed

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like they could mix in and mingle

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amongst them themselves but yes it

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certainly is a fascinating world and a

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universe out there and you know Maria

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did do a chapter for our book on the

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matrix control system of philip k dick

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where actually i interviewed her on

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synchronicities which we all enjoy I

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guess a lot of in our life and in our

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career so now Maria how much is this do

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you believe I mean what what do you

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accept as reality and and and what is

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just a fantasy here because certainly a

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fairies and mermaids and all these

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little creatures have had a place in our

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folklore and in our fairy tales that

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children grow up with they have you can

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start me off with a tough question like

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that oh well hey we're here to get to

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the bottom of we're not we're not

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naughty we're nice but we're not

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frivolous right straight to the juggler

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we're gonna take the the creature by the

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tail there you go yes but if they have

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why the horse

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word question for me because I honestly

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when when Larry and I thought to take a

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book the book was presented to us

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sometimes you know we come up with ideas

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or all come open an idea what I want to

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write about this was something that was

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presented to me to write about and I

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bought Larry and on it Vic and I had

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never thought about writing a book like

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this because I am about a religious

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person I'm very come from you know my

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father wasn't so I have that sort of

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scientific we're fading out there we're

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fading out sorry oh yeah yeah yeah we

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lost you there for a minute

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it's the deepens of the wire but so I

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kind of came at this very objectively

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and I don't where I did as well we're

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both rather skeptical but we're also

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open-minded so doing the research and

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find out where a lot of days ideas

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concepts and even the entities

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themselves came from let's go back to

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these beginning of humanity basically

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the evolution of these ideas it's so if

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that context yes I believe in it but I

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also have to say you guys aren't joking

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about coming for different universes and

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you know it's interesting because the

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bottom line is if science itself is now

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telling us there may be all these

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different universes and realities and

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dimensions then yeah any of this stuff

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can be out there and it could be

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crossing over into our reality at any

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time which is you know what I assume

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would be when someone has sort of a

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paranormal experience so I'm open-minded

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but I'm also skeptically attractive just

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that's a perfect answer their politics

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that would be called pivoting writing a

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book like this we're asked to be as

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objective as possible and present all of

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the information and and in some books

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you know you can you can put your

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opinion in there something like this

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yeah with something like this fizzling

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press I love their books to be the kind

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of book where if you wanted to do some

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research on a subject you could get a

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sort of objective overview and so I

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don't know how much of our opinions kind

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of squeaked in there but it really was

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all about just presenting as much

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information on where are all these ideas

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say that they would you say that the

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devil is a Christian concept absolutely

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but the idea of a counterpart to a

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representation of good you know an evil

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representation that goes back to the

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dawn of humanity where we were stuck out

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in nature you know we looked at the

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world around us and we categorize things

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as being well that's beneficial to me

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it's not going to kill me

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and that over there just killed Joe so

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let's say that's not good at so we

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started to categorize a volcano

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you know volcanic eruption was

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terrifying but the Sun burns was

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beautiful and we started to get this

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dichotomy of good and evil and put

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everything into these nice little

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columns and it's from that viewpoint

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that the idea of a dark figure that was

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opposed to the figure of light came from

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their own spin on it

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so when we talk about the devil

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obviously the first thing that comes to

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everybody's mind is the Christian

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version of the devil

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good old belzebub yeah you know like

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same there no I I would I would think

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not because Lucifer for example was the

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bearer of light and was supposed to be

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very beautiful somewhere along the line

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they gave the the devil a set of horns

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and tail because they didn't like them

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exactly exactly and so sometimes people

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use those terms interchangeably and I

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did that I was that too and then you

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know you kind of resent like oh wow I

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spent the last how many years I think

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it's and and and I'm really happy that

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that you approached this in your book

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Marie of the the idea that you know at

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one time there really wasn't a concept

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of the devil or you know like a

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personification of evil but the you know

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the early scholars could not figure out

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how if God was supposed to be you know a

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loving kind just God how evil things

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would happen so they had to come up with

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you know the the event I got almost

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exactly yeah something had to be become

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the representation of everything that

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wasn't good for us including aspects of

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our own character you know city and and

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lost and all that kind of stuff and

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that's really how this began and

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everything began from the way that we

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looked at ourselves

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you know in the environment that we were

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in nature was so scary to us as primal

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man but it was also beautiful we you

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know carried on within the tribe might

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get attacked by some state you know

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predator and five people died and so

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you're constantly sort of jumping

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between good things that happened and

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bad things and the idea that if there

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was some force out there that was good

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well either that force was not a hundred

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percent good or there was a second force

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that was bad at counter force and there

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becomes really interesting because that

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really is true of humans no matter

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whether you're Christian or Jewish or

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Islam or even pagan that that we have

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that duality that we're constantly

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dealing with well okay that's I would I

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would I ask Val here when you know

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wouldn't you brought that up Val like a

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lot of the things that you have written

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about you know the pookas and fairies

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and mermaids and all that a lot of these

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creatures were deities at one point for

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various pagan religions but as

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Christianity kind of took foothold by

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old of everything they made these things

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you know you know because there weren't

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deities they were considered you like

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demons or not-so-great spirits with

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fairies I think you have kind of a

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little bit of the opposite in the in

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folklore and mythology and this has also

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happened with mermaids where rather than

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them being ascribed as explicitly as

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evil they sort of get called it's like

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they're they're a little demoted like

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they're just these delightful little

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things that are harmless and so they're

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kind of deep powered in that way but

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when you get back into some of the old

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stories you find a lot of dark and

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menacing kind of cautionary tales in

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there so today what we might think of

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you know when we think of mermaids or

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fairies and we're thinking about you

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know things with lovely gossamer wings

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we don't necessarily know the full scope

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of all of the kind of creatures that

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fall under the kingdom of fairy and how

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dark and menacing they can be because

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they are part of the kind of existence

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and connected with nature and nature can

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be of course very brutal and very dark

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so we have a lot of the characteristics

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of the fairy Kingdom you know when when

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we're afraid of nature were afraid of

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these these things and much like Murray

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was saying you know something had to be

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ascribed the darkness with with the

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devil some of the fairy creatures you'll

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find fit the description of something

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very devilish or devil light and

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appearance you have the goat footed God

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appearing constantly and that was

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something that pagans especially in the

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you know the Celts and really all over

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the world goats were very

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life-sustaining and could be farmed just

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about anywhere and so it was very common

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to make offerings to them and to dress

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sort of like a horned beast of some kind

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and do some kind of you know fervent

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ritual to welcome the harvest and so of

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course you see like conquering

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Christians seeing this and you know it's

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terrifying to them and so it makes sense

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then when you think of the devil

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becoming this sort of go dehorned guy

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that we think of today with the tail and

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everything that he has connections to

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this kind of darker fairy realm well

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it's also to me it's amazing how that

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that image of the devil

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has persisted throughout a large portion

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of of history I know Tina Marie and I

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have discussed this before the Ridley

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Scott's movie

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legend where darkness is even though

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they don't call him you know Satan or

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Lucifer just darkness but I mean he

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looks just like the classic devil big

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horns his skins red he's got cloven

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hooves it's it's like arthur c clarke

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book childhood and where the aliens look

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like that and it that was you know he

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caused such a shock in in in everyone

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that here this whatever one thought was

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about mythology was was coming coming

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true you know and i'll leave this

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question open to you know both of our

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land and maria why do you think that

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that image of satan has persisted for so

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long oh obviously it's the the power and

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the widespread influence of the catholic

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church and process by which they

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purposely tried to suppress any other

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representation certainly if you look at

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a poun of paganism and how they sort of

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attributed satanic qualities to a very

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natural entity that really wasn't

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satanic in any way as almost it means to

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discredit it to disempower it and so the

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Catholic Church mainly when we talk

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about the Christian devil were really

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talking about the devil that became

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empowered by the Catholic Church so

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what's our question to you know become

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sort of the state-sponsored search of

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the world they their representation of

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Hell of just barreled over everything

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that was in its path and although

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they've all become they've all become

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the the boogie men of today yeah and pop

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culture's to blame a lot too because

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movies and novels and television shows

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then we seem to depict I saw it last

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night for the first time you know it

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there's always a certain personification

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that evil takes in pop culture whether

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evil clown or you know how to dull but

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they all have that sort of satanic

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element to them that reinforces our yeah

387
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I think we got a blame that all on

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Chucky Chucky

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it was just not loved properly what

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Marie was saying about kind of the the

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the other aspect of the Catholic Church

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and you see this a lot with folklore and

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fairy tales is that especially in the

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sort of early days of of conquering they

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actually did something quite genius so

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when they would come to these parts of

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the world like the far northern regions

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of Scandinavia where people were

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worshipping you know Odin and other

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powerful gods or the far east parts of

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you know what we now call Eastern Europe

402
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and Russia or in the wilds of Ireland

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they would you know sort of overlap

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whatever you know ritual or specific

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holiday or certain attributes of the

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local culture and they would integrate

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that sort of under the umbrella of their

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their doctrine let's hear it let's hear

409
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it let's hear it for crumpets sorry

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about Krampus because if you notice some

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of the very early images of Krampus he

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looks much more just like a hairy beast

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but a spell now here in Victorian times

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you'll see the depiction of him in like

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postcards and you sort of become this

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like stamp and he looks just like a red

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cartoon devil really so it's kind of

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interesting because there's a really

419
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kind of more recent adaptation I mean

420
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Victorian times it's not that long ago

421
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that this wild beast sort of became this

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devil which of course is associated with

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witchcraft and you know running right

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found at night and things like that yes

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and and certainly the movies the you

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know the Krampus movies and have not

427
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helped his his appearance just even more

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demolicious ever as the year goes on and

429
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they remake you know the Krampus - and

430
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Krampus three

431
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yeah he's out he's caught on quite a bit

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I had never heard of Krampus actually

433
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before Joshua Warren I was out Joshua

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Warren's a show one night and he was

435
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laying out the the lay of the land there

436
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as far as the Krampus goes and then

437
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though all of a sudden and everything in

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alright anyway let us run for cover

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during our break so that none of these

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we're innocent now back to exploring the

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bazaars with two of the most

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electrifying researchers in the Paranoid

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your hosts Timothy Becca Lee and Kings

444
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was back again with more exploring the

445
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bizarre and vara Tim was asking the

446
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beginning of the show about pukas now

447
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wasn't Harvey the rabbit in the movie by

448
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the same name with a Jimmy Stewart was

449
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it was not supposed to be a pooka yes

450
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Lucas are they kind of we're talking off

451
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air lightly about the trickster fairies

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and pukas are kind of the king of the

453
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trickster fairies I have heard people

454
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use the term puka interchangeably with

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any kind of fairy but to be specific a

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puka is sort of a shapeshifter

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usually in the form of a rabbit or a

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horse most commonly a horse occasionally

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other animals and the pooka doesn't

460
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really cause any direct harm to its

461
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those who encounter it however it will

462
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basically scare the bejesus out of you

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and will kind of take you to the ends of

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your sanity and generally you come back

465
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they do just as in Harvey tend to prey

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on the town drunk

467
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leprechauns do often do the same thing

468
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well you know you know you know I've

469
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been known on the weekends there's a

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pooka

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so I guess well there goes our there

472
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goes our squeamish audience right out

473
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the door if you should find yourself

474
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waking up in a ditch somewhere yes miles

475
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from home you can of course conveniently

476
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blame the pooka well I would I would I

477
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will I will have to remember that yes

478
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the even better aliens just transported

479
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yeah well they don't alien sometimes get

480
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a little bit of slimy right I guess our

481
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a lot of people believe that they're

482
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interchangeable with aliens at maybe no

483
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sightings and reports that have come

484
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from the distant past or actually aliens

485
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advice versa yeah yeah I mean I tend to

486
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think vice versa and the in the work

487
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that I've done with like fairies and

488
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things like that the more I not to

489
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discredit the idea of aliens or UFOs or

490
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anything like that but there are many

491
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stories and creatures that I've read

492
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about and written about they they remind

493
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me so much of it could be a poltergeist

494
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or of something sort of an abduction or

495
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something that you've spotted in the

496
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woods with strange eyes so it is you

497
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know that that is something that would

498
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be interesting to actually draw specific

499
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parallels from creature to creature and

500
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people's encounters but yeah we know for

501
00:27:01,970 --> 00:26:59,750
sure which came first but I definitely

502
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:01,980
you know fairies have been around since

503
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time immemorial before even humans and

504
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they've kind of come up from the earth

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and sort of shaped themselves around the

506
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the cultures that have thrived and they

507
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have worked to kind of get what they

508
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need

509
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thinker well Tinkerbell would be a fairy

510
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:22,590
right so Tinkerbell technically was a

511
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pixie well

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that splitting hairs I guess one type of

513
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a fairy just look good to kind of

514
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clarify like the word fairy actually

515
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:43,710
encompasses many many different types of

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fairy creatures so a puka can be a fairy

517
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creature a changeling is a fairy switch

518
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and it's you know sort of a fairy raised

519
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as a human so it would look more like a

520
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human a pixie doesn't always really look

521
00:28:03,049 --> 00:27:59,400
like Tinkerbell but can kind of be

522
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aligned with old man redcap or sort of

523
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:05,100
an impish little figure there's

524
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hobgoblins goblins trolls kind of an

525
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:11,230
endless stream

526
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:14,650
creatures that we call fairies or can be

527
00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:16,330
called fairies under the umbrella term

528
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of being from the fairy Kingdom

529
00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:21,580
well now would these all be classified

530
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:25,870
as elementals so I personally don't

531
00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:29,010
think of them as elementals my own

532
00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:31,390
understanding and belief in elementals

533
00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:33,700
is that they are actually sort of the

534
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original kind of entities that were

535
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formed from the different core elements

536
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of the earth and magic and fairies are

537
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sort of their own thing and some of them

538
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:47,740
are more aligned with specific elements

539
00:28:54,510 --> 00:28:51,970
such as water fairies or you know

540
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:54,520
woodland fairies or fairies that like to

541
00:29:01,020 --> 00:28:57,970
hang out you know in the mermaids and

542
00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:01,030
things like that so in that definition

543
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:03,700
of elementals which is the kind of my

544
00:29:07,530 --> 00:29:06,370
definition of elementals that then I

545
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,540
kind of don't really think of them

546
00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:09,760
specifically as elementals but perhaps

547
00:29:14,550 --> 00:29:13,000
that is where they you know maybe have

548
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:14,560
their their origins I kind of feel like

549
00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:19,090
they were around all all along how did

550
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:21,100
I'll throw this out to our two guests

551
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:24,130
here how did these stories of mermaids

552
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:27,370
come about and they said there seem to

553
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:32,230
be actual experience in history that

554
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:35,050
were written in ships logs and and so

555
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:37,690
forth that would indicate that mermaids

556
00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:41,110
and mermen might have existed to some

557
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:45,160
degree were these some kind of entity or

558
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:48,100
deity that we're able to hypnotize the

559
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:50,050
seafarers into believing that they were

560
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,170
half human and half fish well you I'd

561
00:30:02,940 --> 00:29:59,440
range of origins for mermaids you have

562
00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:02,950
everything from you know sailors long at

563
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:07,150
sea deprived key vitamins seeing things

564
00:30:13,740 --> 00:30:10,570
that now we know were Duggan's or

565
00:30:16,580 --> 00:30:13,750
manatees but you also have original

566
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:16,590
cultures and Aboriginal cultures who

567
00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:20,470
worked with mermaids in order to have an

568
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,230
excellent harvest and and a great catch

569
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:24,880
basically so

570
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,650
you have and then you have you know the

571
00:30:31,170 --> 00:30:28,960
Irish murmur oh who were actually quite

572
00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:31,180
fearsome and could drag you into the sea

573
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:33,460
now some of the aquatic creatures

574
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:35,770
especially are very cautionary like

575
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:37,930
don't play in the bog don't go too close

576
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:40,810
to the tide but many of the stories of

577
00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:43,240
the sort of enchantress of the sea are

578
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:46,030
are very real and they can if you've

579
00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:48,340
ever been you know skin diving or scuba

580
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:49,990
diving you know how easy it is to get

581
00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:52,170
disoriented when you're out at the water

582
00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:57,100
but you know it's it's so it's kind of

583
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,410
natural that you could get disoriented

584
00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:01,120
and many times mermaids actually will

585
00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:04,840
guide people back to you know the place

586
00:31:08,730 --> 00:31:06,940
that they were kind of turned them

587
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:08,740
around or you can follow the sound of

588
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:11,830
their voice to get back to the dry land

589
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:14,710
so they are always out to get you but

590
00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:17,050
very often mermaids don't really realize

591
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:19,180
that that you also can't breathe

592
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,970
underwater and so they just hold you so

593
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:24,480
tight until you're sort of swept away

594
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,810
but montano your question of where they

595
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:31,080
came from but I think that there's a

596
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:36,330
huge huge number of cultures that have

597
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:40,240
aquatic deities that they have worshiped

598
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:43,150
for you know thousands of years so you

599
00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:45,940
have a lot of mermaid and even other

600
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:50,380
kind of mer half creatures or mer sharks

601
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:52,630
or things like that in especially in

602
00:31:58,020 --> 00:31:56,320
island nations so it knows it's it gives

603
00:32:00,420 --> 00:31:58,030
I think that kind of gives a lot of

604
00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:00,430
credibility to the existence of mermaids

605
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:03,100
although mermaids are the one thing that

606
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:05,950
even people who are believers and aliens

607
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:08,410
have a tendency to be skeptical about

608
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:13,390
but you know I seem to remember I think

609
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:16,480
it was a Christopher Columbus and one of

610
00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:22,480
his Diaries made a mention that he he

611
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:24,700
said that he had saw a mermaid today and

612
00:32:31,710 --> 00:32:27,670
it wasn't quite as beautiful as he was

613
00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:31,720
led to believe and you got to wonder if

614
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:34,060
they're seeing sea creatures that they

615
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:36,160
didn't at the time you have the

616
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:38,050
scientific acumen to be able to identify

617
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:38,740
with

618
00:32:45,330 --> 00:32:42,760
were seeing and so that's how they came

619
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:45,340
to sort of you know put them in the

620
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:49,200
realm of myths or folklore and I think

621
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:52,360
it's possible that a lot of these

622
00:33:00,030 --> 00:32:57,760
entities over time were things that

623
00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:00,040
people were seeing that they just didn't

624
00:33:05,010 --> 00:33:03,070
have the scientific knowledge to be able

625
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,020
to understand and it looked different

626
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:08,320
they've never seen it before you know it

627
00:33:16,290 --> 00:33:11,740
did unusual things like sea serpents no

628
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:16,300
we turn them into monsters or you know

629
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:19,740
different entities mermaids whatever but

630
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:22,690
because these these stories like she

631
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:24,490
said are so pervasive throughout every

632
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:28,630
culture you have to wonder if people are

633
00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:30,610
actually you're something are people

634
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:32,980
seeing exactly what they're describing

635
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:36,760
or are they seeing some things and this

636
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:39,070
is just the way that they have come to

637
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:41,140
describe it and those are two very

638
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:44,100
different roads that you can go down

639
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:46,750
what makes me it makes you wonder almost

640
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:49,270
if it's say if it could be like an

641
00:33:57,299 --> 00:33:53,710
ancestral memory because there is a line

642
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:57,309
of thinking in was anthropology that at

643
00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:02,080
one point humanity actually lived in the

644
00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:04,600
sea for a while and they point out that

645
00:34:09,930 --> 00:34:06,460
yeah they point out that you know we

646
00:34:12,510 --> 00:34:09,940
have a like a layer of fat like like

647
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:12,520
whales and other sea sea mammals we have

648
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,970
webbed webbed toes and the remnants of a

649
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,159
webbing in our hands so it makes you

650
00:34:25,230 --> 00:34:21,280
almost wonder if people you know if if

651
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:25,240
that's not like an ancestral memory of

652
00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:35,950
that time there are some modern examples

653
00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:40,119
of people like the the Moken people who

654
00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:42,820
can see better underwater than they can

655
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:44,980
even see on dry land and they have I

656
00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:48,700
sort of adapted this lifestyle to be

657
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:52,590
able to have this you know over

658
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:55,080
over a couple of hundred years or 500

659
00:35:00,980 --> 00:34:57,930
years or so their their eyesight has

660
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:00,990
evolved to be better underwater or you

661
00:35:08,810 --> 00:35:04,280
have the Henao women of off the coast of

662
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:08,820
Korea who can dive deeply in in the

663
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:10,530
water they can skin dive they can hold

664
00:35:13,610 --> 00:35:11,910
their breath they can train themselves

665
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:13,620
to hold their breath for as long as five

666
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:15,990
minutes sometimes more Wow just their

667
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:19,320
beauty do you know I know that here do

668
00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:21,000
you know that here in New York at Coney

669
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:23,580
Island every summer we have a mermaid

670
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:24,300
parade

671
00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:30,660
I do know that the gals are the gals get

672
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:34,920
up and dress in all kinds of outfits and

673
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:36,630
ride around in the back of pickup trucks

674
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:39,540
and shouted people and people shout at

675
00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:42,210
them and it's a quiet quiet quite a fish

676
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,350
all right

677
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:45,780
quite a festive occasion and then we

678
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:50,160
stop at McDonald's and have some fish

679
00:35:59,960 --> 00:35:57,690
filet and call it a day

680
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:59,970
hey listen I could be taken off the air

681
00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:01,740
very easily you just could buy somebody

682
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:03,700
could buy me out and you know listen

683
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:12,830
well I'm just giddy with giddy with all

684
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:14,610
this talk of mermaids you know I just

685
00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:16,770
one other thing just going back to the

686
00:36:21,350 --> 00:36:19,080
sort of you know the ancestral memory I

687
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:21,360
do want to point out that you know

688
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:23,610
especially in Western culture we spend a

689
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:28,200
lot of time trying to find the evidence

690
00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:32,460
and the answer to something that the

691
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:34,740
first peoples kind of knew all along and

692
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,010
so sometimes we have to suspend that I'm

693
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,320
not by any means discrediting the

694
00:36:46,220 --> 00:36:42,720
scientific process or its value but

695
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:46,230
sometimes we have to we have to kind of

696
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:49,260
remember that our way of thinking and

697
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,930
our line of thinking about things that

698
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:54,480
we call a myth and thinking of a myth as

699
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:57,330
a lie instead of thinking of it as

700
00:37:03,410 --> 00:36:59,940
something of great value that provides

701
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:03,420
us with something undescribable

702
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:04,720
important

703
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:06,970
and modern culture in ancient culture

704
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,910
and that sometimes then you know if we

705
00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:11,920
take the time to just look at the

706
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,840
origins of the story as of course marina

707
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:16,240
has spent you know her life doing you

708
00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:18,760
will find that you know the natives were

709
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:20,020
right all along

710
00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:22,690
they knew the plants to use they knew

711
00:37:27,690 --> 00:37:25,420
the the bogs to stay out of and I think

712
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:27,700
that's an important part with the the

713
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:30,540
idea of mermaids because you do see them

714
00:37:36,780 --> 00:37:33,460
throughout the world and and and through

715
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:36,790
time you know I I think that there is

716
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:41,290
still though this this willingness to

717
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:43,270
believe in something say like a mermaid

718
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:46,390
because I remember and I think and I

719
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:47,470
don't know if you remember this salmon

720
00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:51,660
like back in the early 1980s for a while

721
00:37:59,849 --> 00:37:56,230
there was a lot of interest going on in

722
00:38:03,599 --> 00:37:59,859
New Guinea where in certain areas where

723
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:03,609
the the locals claimed that they were

724
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:07,210
seeing mermaids in a certain certain

725
00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:10,570
kind of secluded bays it wasn't there a

726
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,630
TV a special gun under that it was

727
00:38:19,859 --> 00:38:15,760
totally bogus right that came years

728
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:19,869
years later okay yeah that was on the

729
00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:22,450
Discovery Channel yeah talking about

730
00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:24,280
this this took place in the eighties

731
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:27,820
yeah before I was born

732
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:32,770
yeah but there were a number of

733
00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:35,290
investigators that that actually went

734
00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:38,380
through the trouble to to go to Getty

735
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:40,630
add to these areas and I mean these were

736
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:43,690
not areas that were easy to get to to

737
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:47,310
check it out and you know some of them

738
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,330
reported seeing unusual creatures that

739
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,359
now the general consensus now is that

740
00:39:03,780 --> 00:38:57,760
you know they were seeing you know like

741
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,790
Doug Long's I will say this whenever I

742
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:05,920
write a book I always like to ask people

743
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:08,530
for their first-hand encounters and you

744
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:10,540
know I've had a few people tell me their

745
00:39:15,089 --> 00:39:12,700
banshee tales over the years and their

746
00:39:17,609 --> 00:39:15,099
ghost stories and whether or not they

747
00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:17,619
believe in werewolves or vampires but

748
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:18,550
when I put a call

749
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:21,160
to get mermaid stories I had very few

750
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:23,350
responses and I had you know was

751
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,450
wondering that why is that is it because

752
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:27,760
there really aren't that many or is it

753
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:30,610
because people are reluctant to admit

754
00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:32,770
something like that because it seems to

755
00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:36,190
kind of go over the threshold of you

756
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:39,100
know sanity I guess draw a line in the

757
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:42,730
sand and but I did receive two or three

758
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:46,390
stories and they were very one was very

759
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:48,430
detailed and it was sort of in a more of

760
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:50,770
like an encounter and a being able to

761
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:52,420
see something that sort of appeared in

762
00:39:56,610 --> 00:39:54,940
her room and she was down and oh now I

763
00:39:59,400 --> 00:39:56,620
can't remember but she was some on one

764
00:40:01,410 --> 00:39:59,410
of the Caribbean islands and then the

765
00:40:03,180 --> 00:40:01,420
other thought was this awesome story

766
00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:03,190
that these women granted me the

767
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:06,150
permission to use and it they were

768
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:08,710
Aboriginal Australians and they talked

769
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:10,810
about their what they called mermaid

770
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:13,690
dream time and that they're in their

771
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:17,170
culture they come from mermaids and they

772
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:19,810
have you know ritual dreams and which

773
00:40:25,830 --> 00:40:21,850
they connect with mermaids and the sea

774
00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:25,840
and they regularly make offerings they

775
00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:27,460
don't necessarily have regular

776
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:29,560
encounters with mermaids but they have a

777
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:31,450
symbiotic relationship and the mermaids

778
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:33,310
protect them and they are sort of

779
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:36,520
believed that they are that those are

780
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:38,530
their origins and so that was a really

781
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:41,770
beautiful and very special story to be

782
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:46,780
able to learn and republish because you

783
00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:48,190
know I mean we don't we don't know that

784
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:50,830
much about things like that I think we

785
00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:52,990
hear a lot about the kind of scary myths

786
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:54,580
or the the lovely

787
00:40:58,350 --> 00:40:56,740
you know tea Crofton croaker story which

788
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,360
of course is one of my favorites but

789
00:41:02,820 --> 00:40:59,680
it's always you know the mermaids

790
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:02,830
trapped in the in the rocks and then

791
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:04,810
she's kind of calling for you and then

792
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:06,550
you try to scoop her up and then the

793
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,110
next thing you know she's sort of trying

794
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:10,240
to drag you down into the water that's

795
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:15,280
the more common common well again though

796
00:41:21,090 --> 00:41:18,310
I mean the Aboriginal tales I mean it

797
00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:21,100
that seems to go back to that that idea

798
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:26,080
that at one point maybe not all of

799
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:29,080
humanity but at least a section of it

800
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:31,030
may have actually have come from the sea

801
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:32,290
yeah

802
00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:39,190
you know probably you and me well I

803
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:41,620
would I would believe that because I

804
00:41:47,490 --> 00:41:45,310
have always had an infinite heed for

805
00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:47,500
water I could swim at an extremely early

806
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:50,680
age and of course my mom said I just it

807
00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:52,090
was because my head was hollow and I

808
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:56,980
floated easy no fear of drowning nope

809
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:00,880
nope and I try I try to teach that to my

810
00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:03,550
daughter and you know I mean she can

811
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:05,260
swim but she'll jump in the water and

812
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:07,170
sink right to the bottom

813
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:23,010
and with that dead air I was just coming

814
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:32,660
yeah save me Tim I'm floundering here

815
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:36,750
we've tackled tackled haha tackled

816
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:39,730
mermaids enough here this evening uh

817
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,670
let's get on to I like trolls I've

818
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:45,040
always been partial to people that live

819
00:42:56,850 --> 00:42:54,760
under a bridge I could say something

820
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:56,860
about being horny but I'll let it go

821
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:57,110
with that

822
00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:01,260
[Laughter]

823
00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:04,300
trolls are there you know there's a

824
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:06,220
couple of movies that have been made

825
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:07,810
about the trolls I don't know do they

826
00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:12,520
really live under the bridge so nothing

827
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:17,800
I know is that they are often thought of

828
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:20,800
unlike sort of we might can give them a

829
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:23,350
scary or menacing they're often thought

830
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,890
of as guardians and so they were

831
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:28,720
depicted as trolls or were carved into

832
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:31,750
bridges as a means of sort of you know

833
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:34,660
sort of much like you would put I don't

834
00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:37,570
know a gnome in your garden so the idea

835
00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:39,220
of a troll being under the bridge and

836
00:43:43,590 --> 00:43:40,750
kind of protecting you from the bridge

837
00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:43,600
collapse does actually you know there

838
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:45,950
that has origins and

839
00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:48,230
a belief in trolls liking sort of dark

840
00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:50,990
places most trolls actually like

841
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:54,320
mountains or kind of dark craggy places

842
00:43:59,079 --> 00:43:56,450
but I will tell you and I was quite

843
00:44:02,020 --> 00:43:59,089
surprised to learn this but when I was

844
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:02,030
writing the most recent book fairies

845
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:03,530
pukas and changed things I have a

846
00:44:07,150 --> 00:44:05,690
section about trolls in there and I had

847
00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:07,160
read some stuff about trolls I thought

848
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:08,780
I'm gonna you know dig a little deeper

849
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:11,540
into trolls and I found the most amazing

850
00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:14,390
story which was all about sort of well

851
00:44:20,589 --> 00:44:16,520
first of all I found several sources

852
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:20,599
that described trolls in Scandinavia in

853
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:23,480
particular especially in parts of Norway

854
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,079
and Finland as beautiful tall gossamer

855
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:31,760
sort of you know

856
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:34,880
pale and and beautiful and more ethereal

857
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:37,010
like than I'd ever heard a description

858
00:44:40,750 --> 00:44:39,290
of a troll and there's actually a story

859
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:40,760
in the book that I've included that's

860
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:43,070
sort of calling patrol wedding and this

861
00:44:48,910 --> 00:44:45,890
is a totally bizarre thing that I found

862
00:44:53,170 --> 00:44:48,920
it in more than one place the idea that

863
00:44:55,809 --> 00:44:53,180
trolls actually turn into a ball of yarn

864
00:44:57,609 --> 00:44:55,819
and roll away and it was this very

865
00:45:00,400 --> 00:44:57,619
interesting story about a troll wedding

866
00:45:01,809 --> 00:45:00,410
and when the human sort of came upon

867
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:01,819
they heard this laughter and they were

868
00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:03,410
coming upon this cabin up in the

869
00:45:09,099 --> 00:45:07,460
mountains they heard you know some sort

870
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,109
of revelry going on as they were

871
00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:12,079
rounding the corner and at that point

872
00:45:16,660 --> 00:45:14,660
all of the trolls turned into balls of

873
00:45:19,059 --> 00:45:16,670
yarn and rolled away down the hill now I

874
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:19,069
know never heard anything like that but

875
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,410
I actually found more than one source

876
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:23,599
that talked about the connection with

877
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:26,089
trolls turning into yarn or having

878
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,510
association with wool and also then in

879
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:33,200
turn sheep so I don't know quite what to

880
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:35,089
make of all of that but we do have the

881
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:36,800
three Billy Goats Gruff and the troll

882
00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:38,450
under the bridge so I think some of

883
00:45:44,109 --> 00:45:41,750
those modern origins probably have or

884
00:45:46,990 --> 00:45:44,119
modern tales have their origins in some

885
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:47,000
of these original beliefs and what

886
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:48,890
trolls were but I had never heard of a

887
00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:52,280
troll being quite so beautiful as the

888
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:53,540
descriptions that I read of these

889
00:45:57,010 --> 00:45:55,250
Scandinavian trolls which of course

890
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,020
Scandinavian people tend to be quite

891
00:46:01,310 --> 00:45:59,280
attractive so who was

892
00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:01,320
you know I guess it's not that far of a

893
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:05,430
leap but so not all proles are ugly

894
00:46:10,610 --> 00:46:08,760
craggy you know giant beasts that just

895
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:10,620
want to gnash their teeth and oh but

896
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:12,030
you've always got you've always got one

897
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:18,450
in every group there's one there what

898
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:21,510
yeah out of control yes indeed yes

899
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:24,140
[Laughter]

900
00:46:28,850 --> 00:46:26,790
there are always those always are the

901
00:46:31,940 --> 00:46:28,860
ones that get the attention on the TV

902
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:31,950
and in the the movies if you just had

903
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:33,630
somebody that look like a good look at

904
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:36,750
skin the Navy and the dude or gal who

905
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:40,740
would pay attention or scream exactly

906
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:44,460
you wouldn't run from them you know

907
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:46,110
there's there's a really good

908
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:48,330
Icelandic movie called a troll hunter

909
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:52,170
but I mean yeah I mean it is it's really

910
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:54,090
good but I mean the trolls depict it in

911
00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:55,890
there like you know you originally

912
00:46:59,780 --> 00:46:57,900
described you know is it one of the

913
00:47:02,360 --> 00:46:59,790
trolls like 9 foot tall or something

914
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,370
like that no bigger bigger bigger yeah

915
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:04,800
because it kind of brings up the point

916
00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:07,650
though that sometimes different you know

917
00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:09,750
or all the time actually different

918
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:11,550
cultures have different words for very

919
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,500
similar creatures so and and whales what

920
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:18,780
is called a brownie is called a

921
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:21,960
Hobgoblin in parts of Scotland or Adobe

922
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:24,900
in parts well we have our own Hobgoblin

923
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:30,000
coming on now well we'll go to a break

924
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:39,270
[Music]

925
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:43,560
explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

926
00:47:49,530 --> 00:47:46,230
ride into the world of the paranormal

927
00:47:53,810 --> 00:47:49,540
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928
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:53,820
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

929
00:47:59,310 --> 00:47:56,940
ghosts Lost Worlds

930
00:48:03,180 --> 00:47:59,320
cryptozoology as well as other

931
00:48:08,310 --> 00:48:03,190
dimensions it's time to take back the

932
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:08,320
night now your electrifying hosts of

933
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:11,470
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

934
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:19,870
team sports back again for the second

935
00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:22,510
hour of exploring the bizarre and Tim

936
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:24,340
itay something fascinating show tonight

937
00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:27,310
I love talking about these kinds of

938
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:30,580
things you know weird creatures physical

939
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:32,530
spiritual what-have-you it doesn't

940
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:32,830
matter

941
00:49:04,350 --> 00:48:50,800
and go ahead you guys say so I just got

942
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:04,360
my mic well I wanted to ask Maria in the

943
00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:11,740
the concept of of Satan when it comes to

944
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:15,870
the Bible there really is not that much

945
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:19,510
really written about him all of the

946
00:49:28,830 --> 00:49:24,610
mythology that surround Satan came

947
00:49:31,230 --> 00:49:28,840
afterwards you know the whole war in

948
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:31,240
heaven you know the Angels

949
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:34,030
falling from the sky and all that none

950
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:36,750
of that is in the Bible that came later

951
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:40,150
it did and and you know first we started

952
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:44,410
off with the serpent which is a another

953
00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:47,890
representation of the devil or Satan or

954
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:49,840
Lucifer you have the serpent in the

955
00:49:55,950 --> 00:49:52,780
Garden of Eden and so hard

956
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:55,960
when but when when the serpent when

957
00:50:00,330 --> 00:49:58,450
Genesis was originally written do you

958
00:50:03,060 --> 00:50:00,340
think that the serpent who actually was

959
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:03,070
supposed to be Satan or or something

960
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:06,190
else he was called something different

961
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:10,570
he was a tempter he was you know someone

962
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,700
who tested you who presented you with

963
00:50:20,250 --> 00:50:15,280
something that was forbidden and the

964
00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:20,260
original references to Satan called him

965
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:21,460
the accuser

966
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:26,290
the tempter so you know how did we get

967
00:50:32,010 --> 00:50:29,710
from accuser somebody who accused you of

968
00:50:33,660 --> 00:50:32,020
things who accused God of being a

969
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,670
hypocrite because if you're all good

970
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:35,920
where does the bad come from you know

971
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:38,950
how did we get from an accuser to an

972
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:41,920
all-encompassing evil bad guy that just

973
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:45,300
kind of shows as religion developed as

974
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:48,790
Christianity as specifically Roman

975
00:50:55,710 --> 00:50:52,750
Catholicism developed a lot of these

976
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,720
ideas cut got kind of interchanged they

977
00:51:01,560 --> 00:50:57,780
were incorporated into each other

978
00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:01,570
there's a there's a theory that Lucifer

979
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:05,220
was a reference and excuse me to Venus

980
00:51:09,930 --> 00:51:08,050
right because Venus was so bright in the

981
00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:09,940
star anise guide it would be seen in the

982
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:11,620
morning and it was the morning star and

983
00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:14,260
some of the earliest references in the

984
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:17,560
Bible talk about the morning star so I

985
00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:20,970
think it's a lot of interpretation upon

986
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,790
interpretation upon interpretation to

987
00:51:29,730 --> 00:51:26,800
where when you try to go back and find

988
00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:29,740
the very first references and again the

989
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:31,240
Bible's that we're looking at have all

990
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:33,370
been heavily edited so we still don't

991
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:36,010
even really know where these concepts

992
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:38,980
originated but you do find that it's

993
00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:41,400
very chaotic even religious scholars

994
00:51:47,550 --> 00:51:43,870
will say you know that it's it's

995
00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:47,560
confusing it's confusing to them and

996
00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:49,270
there are the scholars and it's very

997
00:51:54,330 --> 00:51:51,400
confusing to anybody who picks up the

998
00:51:57,390 --> 00:51:54,340
old and new Testament and tries to make

999
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,400
some sense of who's who but but I think

1000
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:00,480
the general idea

1001
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:03,990
is a representation of dark a

1002
00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:07,740
representation of night evil the

1003
00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:11,000
opposition to good anything that is

1004
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:14,220
counter to the creative so in other

1005
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:17,460
words the destructive and I think you

1006
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:19,020
know you just have so many different

1007
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:20,670
interpretations of what that could be

1008
00:52:29,060 --> 00:52:25,470
that it kind of snowballs on itself hey

1009
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:29,070
when we look at the devil we today it's

1010
00:52:35,810 --> 00:52:31,260
solely thought of as something that can

1011
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:35,820
possess you with demonic possession but

1012
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:37,670
that was not always the case either

1013
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:39,930
originally demons didn't have that much

1014
00:52:43,550 --> 00:52:40,440
power

1015
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:43,560
there were minions and now that you know

1016
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:44,940
they can possess you and they can

1017
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:46,980
possess doll well you know what you once

1018
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:48,750
you get what you get on TV a couple of

1019
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:50,280
times and in the movies you know again

1020
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:51,900
it just goes through your head their

1021
00:52:56,180 --> 00:52:55,050
horns or whatever you know it just they

1022
00:53:00,280 --> 00:52:56,190
get carried away

1023
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:00,290
and speaking of horns Tim and I and

1024
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:02,810
several other researchers have been

1025
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:04,920
putting together a book that we're

1026
00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:08,130
almost finished it's called winged weird

1027
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:12,030
winged wonders and one of the chapters

1028
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:14,940
in there is on speaking in a devil the

1029
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,330
Jersey Devil and you know the legend of

1030
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:20,280
the Jersey Devil of course goes back to

1031
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:22,770
what seventeen forty or seventeen fifty

1032
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:27,030
where mrs. Leeds already had 12 children

1033
00:53:32,570 --> 00:53:29,850
and she cursed the 13 because her

1034
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:32,580
husband was a drunkard and wouldn't take

1035
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:36,090
care of the children or send her a child

1036
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:39,090
support so she cursed their her

1037
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:41,220
thirteenth born and that became the

1038
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:44,130
Jersey Devil but I may have had a

1039
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:46,140
sighting of the Jersey Devil at least

1040
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:49,140
there's a 50/50 chance that I did I was

1041
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,150
driving down and this goes back maybe

1042
00:53:57,770 --> 00:53:54,240
five or six years ago with my friend and

1043
00:53:59,930 --> 00:53:57,780
associates circe who is of Greek origin

1044
00:54:04,250 --> 00:53:59,940
and she's an expert she's been on the

1045
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:04,260
show on the gods of Olympus and I don't

1046
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:06,300
know actually I can't remember to be

1047
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:08,550
honest with you if we were talking about

1048
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:10,260
the Jersey Devil or now I'm sure it

1049
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,810
probably came up in the conversation but

1050
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:14,280
to the

1051
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:16,260
left of the driver where she was on the

1052
00:54:22,070 --> 00:54:18,690
driving at a time I looked over and I

1053
00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:22,080
saw something kind of moving in the the

1054
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:24,300
shrub or the treetops there and they

1055
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:25,800
weren't very high Pines because the

1056
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:27,780
coarseness in the pine at Pine Barrens

1057
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,700
where most of the sightings have taken

1058
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:32,160
place but I did some research on the

1059
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:34,650
Jersey Devil and I was kind of shocked I

1060
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:36,800
thought well maybe it's my you know

1061
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:39,300
imagination playing tricks on me and it

1062
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:43,140
is rather late at night but Circe there

1063
00:54:48,670 --> 00:54:46,230
she insists that she also saw there's

1064
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:48,680
something moving about and saw the red

1065
00:54:54,620 --> 00:54:52,350
glowing eyes of this creature and and we

1066
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:54,630
did some investigation you know for the

1067
00:54:59,240 --> 00:54:56,970
the book on this and talked to some

1068
00:55:01,700 --> 00:54:59,250
people that had some sightings and went

1069
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:01,710
back to some old clippings and I was

1070
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:04,200
amazed you know it was the Jersey Devil

1071
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:07,050
wasn't just the the biting the heads off

1072
00:55:14,620 --> 00:55:11,790
of chickens and a swiping freshly dried

1073
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:14,630
laundry off of you know the outside

1074
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,490
clotheslines and so forth that he had

1075
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:18,960
been around for a long long time and

1076
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:21,720
there are some people who blame every

1077
00:55:25,850 --> 00:55:24,180
disaster that's happened in the state of

1078
00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:25,860
New Jersey including I'm sure the

1079
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,060
governorship of Chris Christie the on

1080
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:32,640
the jersey on the jersey devil have

1081
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:33,990
either what have you done any research

1082
00:55:43,090 --> 00:55:38,130
on a Jersey Devil or any other localized

1083
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:43,100
what I would call you know creatures

1084
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,090
I've not specifically focused on

1085
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:49,920
cryptozoology or as I like to refer to

1086
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:52,770
them because I have a feeling what we

1087
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:53,910
might be dealing with are

1088
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,090
interdimensional entities and and

1089
00:56:02,540 --> 00:56:00,000
creatures you know we hear so many

1090
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:02,550
reports about these types of creatures

1091
00:56:09,620 --> 00:56:06,660
and we did if they came from here if

1092
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,630
they came from our reality you would

1093
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:11,040
think that we'd be seeing them all the

1094
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:13,890
time if we want to apply a little bit of

1095
00:56:18,830 --> 00:56:17,190
a scientific spin on this if if we're

1096
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:18,840
being told that there are parallel

1097
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:21,570
universes and other dimensions and other

1098
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:23,730
realities you know is it not possible

1099
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:26,550
that these unusual creatures and that

1100
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:28,049
can include

1101
00:56:33,259 --> 00:56:30,119
fairies and mermaids and all of these

1102
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:33,269
things are coming from somewhere else

1103
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:37,529
and that's why they're so elusive here

1104
00:56:43,309 --> 00:56:40,410
Hollow Earth no Halliwell in Earth's

1105
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:43,319
that's my ciri Inner Earth well it could

1106
00:56:47,179 --> 00:56:45,059
be anywhere you know my father was a

1107
00:56:49,999 --> 00:56:47,189
geophysicist and he believed that there

1108
00:56:51,919 --> 00:56:50,009
were parallel universes and you know if

1109
00:56:53,449 --> 00:56:51,929
you listened to physicists and

1110
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:53,459
theoretical physicists and quantum

1111
00:56:57,769 --> 00:56:55,859
physicists they will tell you there may

1112
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:57,779
be an infinite number of pair of

1113
00:57:02,900 --> 00:57:00,359
universes out there how do we know

1114
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:02,910
what's out there in terms of life and

1115
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,579
what it might look like so maybe a lot

1116
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:08,400
of these creatures you know for lack of

1117
00:57:15,319 --> 00:57:11,849
a better word are popping in and out of

1118
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:15,329
our perception our reality our

1119
00:57:19,759 --> 00:57:17,609
consciousness whatever you want to call

1120
00:57:21,529 --> 00:57:19,769
it and that's why they remained so

1121
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:21,539
elusive and nobody's ever really

1122
00:57:26,929 --> 00:57:24,689
captured any of them well I think the

1123
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:26,939
other thing is that with just as you

1124
00:57:30,919 --> 00:57:29,609
have with ghosts or people actually a

1125
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:30,929
lot of people have had paranormal

1126
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:34,249
encounters but not necessarily seeing

1127
00:57:40,099 --> 00:57:36,900
manifestations of ghosts a lot of people

1128
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:40,109
who have had these sort of they've seen

1129
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:42,689
a fairy or they've seen the Jersey Devil

1130
00:57:45,859 --> 00:57:44,130
or you have you know the beast of Bray

1131
00:57:50,029 --> 00:57:45,869
Road which is thought to be a werewolf

1132
00:57:51,799 --> 00:57:50,039
in Wisconsin you we have to remember and

1133
00:57:54,979 --> 00:57:51,809
especially if you kind of take this sort

1134
00:57:58,099 --> 00:57:54,989
of fairy the Irish fairy out look to be

1135
00:58:01,519 --> 00:57:58,109
able to see fairies to be able to see

1136
00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:01,529
ghosts or anything of you know another

1137
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:04,140
dimension or from you know a parallel

1138
00:58:09,709 --> 00:58:05,910
universe or something that's actually

1139
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:09,719
there perhaps all the time and part of

1140
00:58:13,489 --> 00:58:11,849
our own dimension you just can't see it

1141
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:13,499
all the time you would have something

1142
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:15,630
called the second sight and so I do

1143
00:58:20,449 --> 00:58:18,089
think that there are certain people who

1144
00:58:22,009 --> 00:58:20,459
do have the ability to see these things

1145
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:22,019
and sense these things and it's not

1146
00:58:27,859 --> 00:58:25,650
everyone all the time and I also think

1147
00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:27,869
because that is such a powerful thing

1148
00:58:33,919 --> 00:58:30,630
that you do have people who make things

1149
00:58:37,009 --> 00:58:33,929
up in order to fit into that like oh I

1150
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:37,019
you know I must I must also have this

1151
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:39,900
special ability but I do think that

1152
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:41,640
there are many people who

1153
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:44,339
that ability who maybe have been raised

1154
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,140
to think that they're crazy or that

1155
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,480
those things aren't real but that they

1156
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:51,119
have a gift and I would just say that if

1157
00:58:56,420 --> 00:58:53,490
someone has had an encounter like that

1158
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,430
seeing something like that you know take

1159
00:59:00,200 --> 00:58:58,559
it for what you want but I would

1160
00:59:02,779 --> 00:59:00,210
consider it a gift and it's something

1161
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,789
that you know the the fairies are

1162
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:04,799
showing themselves to you and that's

1163
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:06,990
often why you have children are able to

1164
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:09,000
see ghosts or fairies or other creatures

1165
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:11,369
like that much easier than we are as we

1166
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:13,559
age and we get more you know we just get

1167
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:15,960
more removed from the possibility until

1168
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:17,730
we get old enough and the veil gets thin

1169
00:59:22,609 --> 00:59:20,490
again so I think that that's one of the

1170
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:22,619
reasons that you don't you have a lot

1171
00:59:26,809 --> 00:59:24,690
when you start compiling them as I know

1172
00:59:28,339 --> 00:59:26,819
you you you all know because you've

1173
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:28,349
researched books you see when you start

1174
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,730
gathering these stories you start

1175
00:59:34,460 --> 00:59:31,680
compiling them you could write volumes

1176
00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:34,470
and volumes and volumes but when you

1177
00:59:37,309 --> 00:59:35,640
start putting them together like that

1178
00:59:39,049 --> 00:59:37,319
you realize there are more encounters

1179
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:39,059
and you start talking with people and

1180
00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:40,650
listen I saw something I'm not quite

1181
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:42,390
sure what to make of it or you're on a

1182
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:44,130
show like this and someone contacts you

1183
00:59:47,749 --> 00:59:45,450
after I says actually I think I might

1184
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:47,759
have had a puka encounter or something

1185
00:59:53,809 --> 00:59:50,940
like that but you know it is a gift and

1186
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:53,819
it is something that we should consider

1187
00:59:59,960 --> 00:59:57,119
as a positive even if it can be a scary

1188
01:00:03,799 --> 00:59:59,970
experience in Dental according according

1189
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:03,809
to Peter Robert Anton Wilson used to

1190
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:06,660
write about the pooka since he's an

1191
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:09,180
Irish shape-shifting critter that makes

1192
01:00:16,759 --> 01:00:12,930
sense yeah indeed and Jimmy Stewart's

1193
01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:16,769
movie Harvey Harvey is supposedly a puka

1194
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:19,859
yes Harvey suka and the other thing

1195
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:22,470
about the just to connect you Peter

1196
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:24,900
thank you Peter go ahead we didn't get

1197
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:27,720
to is that the pooka because it often

1198
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,150
appears as a horse it will kind of take

1199
01:00:35,539 --> 01:00:32,880
you on this like midnight ride so you

1200
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:35,549
will lose track of time and space and

1201
01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:38,730
that's another really common experience

1202
01:00:41,029 --> 01:00:39,960
in other words like I said you wake up

1203
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:41,039
in the ditch and you're like I don't

1204
01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:42,420
know what happened I was just walking

1205
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:43,980
down this road well you were supposed to

1206
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,380
leave the pub you know two hours before

1207
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:48,000
it closed or before dark time or

1208
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:50,970
whatever but with ferry encounters and

1209
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:52,230
you see this of course you're getting

1210
01:00:54,810 --> 01:00:53,700
back so like the alien encounters and

1211
01:00:56,430 --> 01:00:54,820
things like that

1212
01:01:00,240 --> 01:00:56,440
you have a very different relationship

1213
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:00,250
with time and you know if you're the

1214
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:02,410
time that you've been on this focus

1215
01:01:07,410 --> 01:01:04,180
right it feels like just seconds have

1216
01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:07,420
gone by and you will have lost hours or

1217
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:10,900
days of your of your life you well know

1218
01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:12,610
that that's very similar to it to

1219
01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:16,000
suppose that alien abductions I mean we

1220
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:17,950
care about that we hear about that all

1221
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:20,110
the time where wake up naked and

1222
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:22,150
starving in the middle of the woods

1223
01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:25,030
I mean why I would I would no wonder I

1224
01:01:32,250 --> 01:01:27,220
don't like to chat with a alien so I

1225
01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:32,260
have to do that but but that you know I

1226
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:34,120
mean but other some people you know just

1227
01:01:38,220 --> 01:01:36,490
like with these these critters that you

1228
01:01:41,370 --> 01:01:38,230
talk about some people have positive

1229
01:01:45,930 --> 01:01:41,380
experiences and some people see it in a

1230
01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:45,940
very negative light now would you say

1231
01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:49,590
that any of these groups are have inter

1232
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,180
already call into communications with

1233
01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:54,960
each other I mean is a very likely to

1234
01:02:01,620 --> 01:01:59,010
run into a some other type of

1235
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:01,630
interdimensional being would they live

1236
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:03,010
in the same area I mean could they

1237
01:02:09,590 --> 01:02:06,640
occupy the same hilltop or inside the

1238
01:02:15,530 --> 01:02:09,600
hill Mountain you mean like - like

1239
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:15,540
werewolves and fairies hangout perhaps

1240
01:02:19,890 --> 01:02:18,010
there probably wouldn't be any fairies

1241
01:02:23,580 --> 01:02:19,900
left if they hug I would - werewolves I

1242
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:23,590
would suppose but I don't know well we

1243
01:02:30,090 --> 01:02:25,810
have some stories about dog man and

1244
01:02:31,590 --> 01:02:30,100
Bigfoot in the same forest we've had a

1245
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:31,600
couple of researchers on and we've

1246
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:34,030
talked about we've talked about the

1247
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:37,450
interrelationship between UFOs and in

1248
01:02:42,690 --> 01:02:40,480
some of these beings and creatures in

1249
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:42,700
fact we're having on in a couple of

1250
01:02:46,350 --> 01:02:44,500
weeks so Tim Mustaine Gordon isn't that

1251
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:46,360
right yes that's correct

1252
01:02:52,770 --> 01:02:49,060
yeah and and what was the the cases that

1253
01:02:56,070 --> 01:02:52,780
he investigated back around 1973 yeah

1254
01:02:58,380 --> 01:02:56,080
run the time that that the nationwide

1255
01:03:00,930 --> 01:02:58,390
UFO flap was going on in Pennsylvania

1256
01:03:02,810 --> 01:03:00,940
not only were they having UFOs but they

1257
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:02,820
were having a lot of really unusual

1258
01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:05,920
Bigfoot sightings as well and and now

1259
01:03:08,620 --> 01:03:07,420
we've got we've had Paul you know our

1260
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:08,630
friend Paul you know other

1261
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:13,030
show several times and he's been he's

1262
01:03:19,180 --> 01:03:16,180
stationed himself out there in a van and

1263
01:03:22,990 --> 01:03:19,190
they been seeing strange lights in the

1264
01:03:25,420 --> 01:03:23,000
sky and some very weird of movement on

1265
01:03:28,290 --> 01:03:25,430
the ground which can't be explained

1266
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:28,300
including mysterious vans and strange

1267
01:03:41,770 --> 01:03:39,890
government type of bended black I think

1268
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:41,780
in this case the year the van wasn't

1269
01:03:48,580 --> 01:03:43,760
black but they you know they even they

1270
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:48,590
change there wasn't well they got to

1271
01:03:53,950 --> 01:03:50,810
kind of update it or they'd be found out

1272
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,960
too easy you know maybe once no no they

1273
01:03:59,050 --> 01:03:56,480
they wear the white hat in fact there

1274
01:04:00,120 --> 01:03:59,060
was a fellow that came visiting me at

1275
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:00,130
one time

1276
01:04:07,570 --> 01:04:04,400
Oscar Magoo's II a little-known contact

1277
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:07,580
II from the from Canada who claimed he'd

1278
01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:09,890
been for many trips onboard UFOs and

1279
01:04:13,870 --> 01:04:11,630
traveled around the world in a flying

1280
01:04:17,350 --> 01:04:13,880
saucer in all kind of very fantasy all

1281
01:04:19,150 --> 01:04:17,360
but a fantasy well but he left here one

1282
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:19,160
night after we had a conversation and I

1283
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:22,370
did interview him and much respect to me

1284
01:04:27,340 --> 01:04:25,280
since passed on but then he wrote later

1285
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:27,350
on in one of his newsletters that when

1286
01:04:34,180 --> 01:04:31,670
he left here there was a black sedan of

1287
01:04:36,580 --> 01:04:34,190
some type and this is before a rumor of

1288
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:36,590
course there was a black sedan or some

1289
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:38,180
kind of you know parked here and they

1290
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:40,250
tried to gun him down with some

1291
01:04:46,030 --> 01:04:43,760
mysterious ray but then the white sedan

1292
01:04:48,820 --> 01:04:46,040
that came along with the men in black

1293
01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:48,830
you know like a dress in white and they

1294
01:04:53,380 --> 01:04:50,540
had some kind of confrontation here and

1295
01:04:55,180 --> 01:04:53,390
maybe made the other one dissolve or

1296
01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:55,190
disappear or something and this was

1297
01:04:59,380 --> 01:04:57,230
before the movie men in black came along

1298
01:05:01,420 --> 01:04:59,390
you know so he can't blame it on that or

1299
01:05:03,930 --> 01:05:01,430
maybe we can may blame the movie on his

1300
01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:03,940
experiences but that was good ol Oscar

1301
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:06,580
Magoo's the year he did have some very

1302
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:10,730
strange if true experiences and you know

1303
01:05:15,820 --> 01:05:14,330
I don't accept or reject you could just

1304
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:15,830
speak your mind and if you have

1305
01:05:19,710 --> 01:05:17,930
something pretty strange to say I'll

1306
01:05:22,510 --> 01:05:19,720
listen to your for at least 15 minutes

1307
01:05:23,830 --> 01:05:22,520
well Tim Tim you know that

1308
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:23,840
it's interesting though because there

1309
01:05:30,580 --> 01:05:27,490
you have I mean there is that age-old

1310
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:30,590
what the economy play it out there you

1311
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:34,310
know black versus white good versus evil

1312
01:05:38,650 --> 01:05:36,830
light versus dark you know you have the

1313
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:38,660
guys in the black van trying to shoot

1314
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:41,210
him and then the guys in the the white

1315
01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:44,480
vehicle coming to to say them you know I

1316
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:47,180
mean it's just like it's the same thing

1317
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,710
it used to be you know angels and devils

1318
01:05:54,790 --> 01:05:51,200
and now it's you know I don't know a

1319
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:54,800
good and evil space aliens well that

1320
01:05:58,990 --> 01:05:56,930
that would seem to be the the case

1321
01:06:02,080 --> 01:05:59,000
because you can't discount all of these

1322
01:06:05,770 --> 01:06:02,090
reports may look at the Carla Turner and

1323
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:05,780
and she seemed to be a pretty you know

1324
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:08,450
sturdy steady a type I don't think she

1325
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:10,130
was making up some of these experiences

1326
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:12,470
and they were just really really just

1327
01:06:17,980 --> 01:06:16,490
you know blown out there I mean like we

1328
01:06:21,010 --> 01:06:17,990
have a book or two with some of her

1329
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:21,020
material in it it is I call it the UFO

1330
01:06:25,570 --> 01:06:22,730
fear factor I mean it's almost very

1331
01:06:34,450 --> 01:06:25,580
frightening to read but I hope you do

1332
01:06:36,940 --> 01:06:34,460
and buy it on Amazon well you gotta you

1333
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:36,950
know you gotta keep us going or they

1334
01:06:47,350 --> 01:06:44,570
where the comedy stops one of the things

1335
01:06:51,580 --> 01:06:47,360
that I found interesting in you in your

1336
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:51,590
book as well is some of the New

1337
01:06:58,180 --> 01:06:55,280
Testament scholars who were considering

1338
01:07:02,410 --> 01:06:58,190
that possibly you know Yahweh or Jehovah

1339
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:02,420
from the the Old Testament might not

1340
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:05,450
have been the same god of the New

1341
01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:07,610
Testament but may have actually been

1342
01:07:17,290 --> 01:07:13,840
Lucifer I don't think anybody knows it

1343
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:17,300
yeah I mean the Old Testament was the

1344
01:07:24,730 --> 01:07:21,760
Hebrew Bible it was the Hebrew

1345
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:24,740
interpretation of those particular myths

1346
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,810
the New Testament was Christianity's

1347
01:07:33,940 --> 01:07:31,520
interpretation and not only that but had

1348
01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:33,950
added on it evolved a lot of those myths

1349
01:07:38,839 --> 01:07:35,700
that introduced

1350
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:38,849
this and a whole new mythology and I say

1351
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,890
mythology simply because we don't have

1352
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:42,960
you know proof I'm not saying that it's

1353
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:47,280
not real but you know the the idea of

1354
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,599
fallen angels originally Lucifer was

1355
01:07:57,530 --> 01:07:54,000
said to have been God's favorite angel

1356
01:08:01,130 --> 01:07:57,540
he was beautiful and the reason why he

1357
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:01,140
fell and became a thing of evil was

1358
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:03,780
because he was vain now we have you know

1359
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,490
God telling you enough times that you're

1360
01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:07,200
beautiful that might actually affect

1361
01:08:13,220 --> 01:08:10,049
your ego so Lucifer's supposed to

1362
01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,230
supposed to represent the ego and how

1363
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:15,480
you know when we rely too much on our

1364
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:18,900
ego we will fall from grace so there's

1365
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:22,620
so much symbolism that gets interchanged

1366
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:26,880
and that's why it's so important to go

1367
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,750
back as far as you can and one of the

1368
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,400
ways I love to do that is to look at the

1369
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:34,560
origin of words themselves because you

1370
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:37,560
can often really get an idea of well

1371
01:08:42,499 --> 01:08:40,199
what was the seed I concept behind that

1372
01:08:46,249 --> 01:08:42,509
you know what was the core idea that all

1373
01:08:49,519 --> 01:08:46,259
of this was built around and the god of

1374
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:49,529
the Hebrew Bible is a much more vicious

1375
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:53,759
vengeful angry God than the god of

1376
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:55,859
Christianity so there was definitely

1377
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,120
some kind of a spin or an evolution that

1378
01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:02,640
occurred there between the two ideas

1379
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:06,120
right now yeah you know and they didn't

1380
01:09:11,599 --> 01:09:07,770
spend because I wrote a book called

1381
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:11,609
viral mythology where I studied you know

1382
01:09:17,780 --> 01:09:15,839
rhetoric in and cult mentality and the

1383
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:17,790
way things go viral whether they're

1384
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:19,770
myths or fairy tale or folklore that

1385
01:09:24,289 --> 01:09:22,500
when they have a viral quality well the

1386
01:09:26,030 --> 01:09:24,299
Bible in our religious texts are no

1387
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:26,040
different they were written for very

1388
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:30,449
specific reasons and the Old Testament

1389
01:09:38,059 --> 01:09:34,410
seems to be much more about anything

1390
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:38,069
goes you know you you couldn't you could

1391
01:09:42,019 --> 01:09:39,810
get away with so much there was murder

1392
01:09:47,329 --> 01:09:42,029
there was and says there was all kinds

1393
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,339
of of hedonism and punishment and the

1394
01:09:52,059 --> 01:09:49,520
New Testament God softened

1395
01:09:53,530 --> 01:09:52,069
he was toned down we had Jesus come in

1396
01:09:55,390 --> 01:09:53,540
to forgive all your sins that you

1397
01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:55,400
committed in the first part of the Bible

1398
01:10:01,450 --> 01:09:58,070
so it's just really interesting to see

1399
01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:01,460
how basic concepts that were introduced

1400
01:10:08,980 --> 01:10:04,540
that all came from paganism originally

1401
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:08,990
then got sort of reinterpreted and

1402
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:11,210
reinterpreted and reinterpreted over

1403
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:12,890
time to what we have today and the

1404
01:10:19,930 --> 01:10:16,610
Bible's that we have today are so far

1405
01:10:22,780 --> 01:10:19,940
removed from the you know oldest

1406
01:10:26,050 --> 01:10:22,790
versions of the Bible that we have so

1407
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:26,060
somebody who's reading a King James you

1408
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:29,090
know Hello Kitty Bible they're not

1409
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,290
getting the real story and even if they

1410
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:35,600
were to go back to the original Bibles

1411
01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:37,730
the oldest ones that we have on on this

1412
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:38,600
planet

1413
01:10:42,970 --> 01:10:40,810
you're still it's a mythological

1414
01:10:46,090 --> 01:10:42,980
interpretation now that's not to say

1415
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:46,100
real things didn't happen because myth

1416
01:10:53,380 --> 01:10:49,760
fairy tale folklore is always based on

1417
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:53,390
truth but it's fictionalized truth and

1418
01:10:58,450 --> 01:10:56,810
it's up to us to try to identify the

1419
01:11:01,060 --> 01:10:58,460
fact from the fiction and that becomes

1420
01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:01,070
very very difficult well when we come

1421
01:11:05,410 --> 01:11:03,230
back when we come back from our last

1422
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:05,420
break area which were due for in a

1423
01:11:11,860 --> 01:11:09,110
minute I do want to ask about Egyptian

1424
01:11:14,470 --> 01:11:11,870
mythology because they had some beings

1425
01:11:19,090 --> 01:11:14,480
and creatures there they were half human

1426
01:11:22,810 --> 01:11:19,100
and half animal half creator god yeah

1427
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:22,820
yeah yeah they seem to have half cat

1428
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:26,210
even all right anyway we will be back in

1429
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:30,050
just a moment Oh some more hairy

1430
01:11:38,169 --> 01:11:32,449
creatures to tickle your fancy

1431
01:11:40,959 --> 01:11:38,179
and curl your toes now back to exploring

1432
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:40,969
the bazaar with two of the most

1433
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:43,370
electrifying researchers in the Paranoid

1434
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:53,570
your hosts Timothy Rebecca Lee and - Tim

1435
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:56,090
here it is the final segment or the

1436
01:12:00,669 --> 01:11:57,530
program and there's still so much to

1437
01:12:05,020 --> 01:12:00,679
talk about well you know what I want to

1438
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:05,030
delve into I'm fascinated by some of the

1439
01:12:14,650 --> 01:12:10,030
early Egyptian tales where we have

1440
01:12:17,070 --> 01:12:14,660
statues and carvings of the creatures

1441
01:12:20,860 --> 01:12:17,080
and beasts that are half-human and

1442
01:12:24,510 --> 01:12:20,870
half-animal did these beings actually

1443
01:12:30,459 --> 01:12:24,520
exist or is this just simply the

1444
01:12:32,650 --> 01:12:30,469
imagination of some high priest or or

1445
01:12:35,459 --> 01:12:32,660
Pharaoh or are we talking about

1446
01:12:40,030 --> 01:12:35,469
interdimensional beings that actually

1447
01:12:42,250 --> 01:12:40,040
walked among the pyramids I think it's

1448
01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:42,260
more they were representations of a

1449
01:12:50,530 --> 01:12:48,070
combination of the their pagan roots and

1450
01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:50,540
moving into a little more of a

1451
01:12:58,660 --> 01:12:54,340
Christianity orientation the animal

1452
01:13:01,959 --> 01:12:58,670
representations were more important than

1453
01:13:04,570 --> 01:13:01,969
the human part so for example the

1454
01:13:08,260 --> 01:13:04,580
Egyptians had their own version of the

1455
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:08,270
devil they had set who was part jackal

1456
01:13:16,689 --> 01:13:13,850
part human and what what made him evil

1457
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:16,699
he really wasn't evil that was the god

1458
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:20,719
of storms and war and and death and

1459
01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:24,110
because we fear death more than anything

1460
01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:27,080
and we fear all of the things that might

1461
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:30,500
lead to death including war volcanoes

1462
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:32,330
earthquakes storms and all of those

1463
01:13:40,209 --> 01:13:36,080
things the the representations of those

1464
01:13:44,140 --> 01:13:40,219
things became evil even though they may

1465
01:13:45,060 --> 01:13:44,150
not have been a per se so but in Egypt

1466
01:13:47,850 --> 01:13:45,070
they have

1467
01:13:53,790 --> 01:13:47,860
two entities that one was a light

1468
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:53,800
bringer that was a pep I'm sorry raw was

1469
01:14:00,780 --> 01:13:56,800
the light bringer the solar God and then

1470
01:14:04,350 --> 01:14:00,790
he had a counterpart in a pet so there

1471
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:04,360
again you have a good you have a God and

1472
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:07,300
you have an evil and a pep was often

1473
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:10,210
associated with the Christian version of

1474
01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:13,360
Satan so I think it's just there because

1475
01:14:18,690 --> 01:14:16,420
Egypt ancient Egypt and ancient Rome

1476
01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:18,700
were struggling to overcome their pagan

1477
01:14:23,940 --> 01:14:22,060
roots but especially in ancient Egypt

1478
01:14:26,730 --> 01:14:23,950
you see a lot of representations of

1479
01:14:28,890 --> 01:14:26,740
animals in their glyphs and in their

1480
01:14:31,770 --> 01:14:28,900
statuary and in the different gods and

1481
01:14:35,550 --> 01:14:31,780
goddesses they were polytheistic so they

1482
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:35,560
started opera you know worshipping many

1483
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:38,250
gods and many goddesses and eventually

1484
01:14:46,290 --> 01:14:40,570
when they were Christianized that

1485
01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:46,300
changed unfortunately they were yet you

1486
01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:49,180
know when I spoke at the House of Lords

1487
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:53,320
in England I said in the the gallery

1488
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:55,810
there and and watch the little

1489
01:15:02,130 --> 01:14:59,920
proceedings that go on and I was amazed

1490
01:15:05,460 --> 01:15:02,140
at some of the carvings and all that

1491
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:05,470
showed unicorns

1492
01:15:11,460 --> 01:15:09,280
you know unicorns is very well unicorns

1493
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:11,470
and dragons are very well embedded in

1494
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:18,400
the legend of of the United Kingdom just

1495
01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:21,970
like Nessie would be in in Scotland in

1496
01:15:31,050 --> 01:15:27,100
fact a doctor and I think was it 10 FW

1497
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:31,060
Holloway yes yes okay maybe yeah maybe

1498
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:35,650
was the serpent in the disk yeah yeah

1499
01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:37,930
the serpent in the disk he did research

1500
01:15:45,180 --> 01:15:40,380
on this and found out that in many

1501
01:15:47,490 --> 01:15:45,190
cathedrals there were carvings I guess

1502
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:47,500
you would call it that of this shaped

1503
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:49,930
objects along with serpents of one kind

1504
01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:50,590
or another

1505
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,540
so I mean apparently the I say ancients

1506
01:15:59,550 --> 01:15:58,000
but visit that the long ago what three

1507
01:16:02,330 --> 01:15:59,560
four hundred years

1508
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:02,340
realize that there had to be a

1509
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:06,360
correlation between the disk

1510
01:16:14,490 --> 01:16:11,130
representing the flying saucer and the

1511
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:14,500
serpent representing a dragon or or the

1512
01:16:19,290 --> 01:16:17,320
Loch Ness monster and I think some of

1513
01:16:21,390 --> 01:16:19,300
the sea serpents have even been seen

1514
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:21,400
with wings but of course I don't think

1515
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:24,010
that the champ isn't flying around but

1516
01:16:28,890 --> 01:16:26,320
we don't know how they disappear pretty

1517
01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:28,900
quickly like they do so maybe they maybe

1518
01:16:34,830 --> 01:16:31,270
maybe some of these winged creatures I

1519
01:16:36,570 --> 01:16:34,840
use their wings other than to propel

1520
01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:36,580
themselves through the air I mean it

1521
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:38,520
could be something a little bit more

1522
01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:45,130
fourteen than than that or maybe they

1523
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:47,380
use them to swim better underwater their

1524
01:16:59,930 --> 01:16:58,350
this digial or whatever the word is

1525
01:17:02,700 --> 01:16:59,940
where they're they're left over from

1526
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:02,710
their evolution their evolutionary

1527
01:17:11,130 --> 01:17:08,170
history there have certainly been you

1528
01:17:13,530 --> 01:17:11,140
know the the drawings of sea serpents

1529
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:13,540
and old maps and the and the Kraken and

1530
01:17:20,730 --> 01:17:16,330
things like that and then other sort of

1531
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:20,740
very bizarre-looking ancient supposedly

1532
01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:23,440
mythological creatures and then you know

1533
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:25,900
a little time passes and we find

1534
01:17:30,810 --> 01:17:28,210
something very similar to that actually

1535
01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:30,820
dwelling deep in the ocean floor where

1536
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,550
we weren't able to explore before and I

1537
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:35,440
always think of sort of like the Giant

1538
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:37,630
Pacific octopus and you hear these tales

1539
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:39,970
like the Kraken pulling the ship down

1540
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:42,190
and of course it's depicted as pulling

1541
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:45,040
down you know a large sailing vessel but

1542
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:46,450
there are actually very aggressive

1543
01:17:52,380 --> 01:17:48,850
octopus off the coast especially in like

1544
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:52,390
you know Baja that will and have been

1545
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,650
known to you know reach up into small

1546
01:18:01,800 --> 01:17:58,960
fishing vessels you know small fishing

1547
01:18:04,650 --> 01:18:01,810
boats and sort of like you know fight to

1548
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:04,660
maybe they'll grab an oar or something

1549
01:18:10,110 --> 01:18:07,570
like that so sometimes we we need only

1550
01:18:12,150 --> 01:18:10,120
wait and these creatures will wash up

1551
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:12,160
sand and I do feel like with a lot of

1552
01:18:15,149 --> 01:18:12,610
those

1553
01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:15,159
strange sea creatures especially

1554
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:17,980
everyday ocean is just so vast and there

1555
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,770
are places that we've yet to explore or

1556
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:23,440
stick a camera down or problem you know

1557
01:18:28,919 --> 01:18:26,170
possibly never will we'll never fully

1558
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:28,929
cover it all and and we're constantly

1559
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,110
surprised by these you know blob fish

1560
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:34,000
and well I was just going to say giant

1561
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:37,600
and jelly a huge jellyfish and sumit and

1562
01:18:41,820 --> 01:18:39,520
some of them may have been seen flying

1563
01:18:44,370 --> 01:18:41,830
through the the sky too because we've

1564
01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:44,380
got pictorial evidence of some people

1565
01:18:49,470 --> 01:18:47,320
claiming that these UFOs that they've

1566
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:49,480
seen have taken on the distinct

1567
01:18:54,629 --> 01:18:52,510
appearance of jellyfish but they're in

1568
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:54,639
the atmosphere and not under water now

1569
01:19:01,620 --> 01:18:58,239
Marie you did a book yeah we also we

1570
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:01,630
also have creatures that become extinct

1571
01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:03,730
and we have extinction events that wipe

1572
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:07,300
out you know 30 40 up to 90% of all life

1573
01:19:14,129 --> 01:19:10,449
marine and land and so you know maybe

1574
01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:14,139
it's possible that some of these things

1575
01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:15,940
that people have been seeing just aren't

1576
01:19:19,260 --> 01:19:16,600
here anymore

1577
01:19:21,950 --> 01:19:19,270
they were either they died out they

1578
01:19:24,930 --> 01:19:21,960
became extinct what have you though

1579
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:24,940
number Rhea you have a book the this

1580
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,090
book of the future journeying through

1581
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:29,679
portals do you think that some of these

1582
01:19:35,220 --> 01:19:33,040
creatures could be time travelers well

1583
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,230
absolutely I mean I think if we're going

1584
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:37,600
to start looking at some of the things

1585
01:19:41,820 --> 01:19:39,210
that are being brought up by theoretical

1586
01:19:43,890 --> 01:19:41,830
physicists where we have you know

1587
01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:43,900
wormholes and shortcuts their space and

1588
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:46,300
time and more and again parallel

1589
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:49,810
universes it's entirely possible that

1590
01:19:54,959 --> 01:19:52,239
we're looking at we're getting glimpses

1591
01:19:56,939 --> 01:19:54,969
of creatures and I hate to use that word

1592
01:20:01,680 --> 01:19:56,949
but is just such a good an umbrella term

1593
01:20:04,590 --> 01:20:01,690
creatures that existed in another time

1594
01:20:08,010 --> 01:20:04,600
line either in the past or in the future

1595
01:20:10,379 --> 01:20:08,020
and I love you know when you when you

1596
01:20:13,290 --> 01:20:10,389
talk to cryptozoologist specifically

1597
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:13,300
this also applies to a lot of ghosts and

1598
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:16,090
alien reports that I've seen often times

1599
01:20:21,419 --> 01:20:18,850
the quality of the sighting suggests

1600
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:21,429
that what was seen was something that

1601
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:24,489
just sort of flickered in and out of

1602
01:20:28,540 --> 01:20:26,449
view or it didn't

1603
01:20:31,029 --> 01:20:28,550
generally run out of the woods and then

1604
01:20:32,979 --> 01:20:31,039
run back in it just appeared to people

1605
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:32,989
you'll you'll hear people so many times

1606
01:20:39,729 --> 01:20:36,800
say well the craft or this creature just

1607
01:20:43,180 --> 01:20:39,739
appeared out of nowhere as if it were

1608
01:20:45,310 --> 01:20:43,190
projected from a movie projector and

1609
01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:45,320
then it just flickered and vanished out

1610
01:20:52,029 --> 01:20:48,979
of sight you hear that so many times and

1611
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:52,039
that to me is a clue that we may be

1612
01:20:58,239 --> 01:20:55,369
dealing with something that is either

1613
01:21:00,189 --> 01:20:58,249
you know holographic perhaps that's

1614
01:21:03,939 --> 01:21:00,199
being projected from a higher dimension

1615
01:21:06,910 --> 01:21:03,949
onto our three-dimensional landscape or

1616
01:21:09,819 --> 01:21:06,920
from another timeline and I think that's

1617
01:21:11,890 --> 01:21:09,829
what makes all of this so exciting and

1618
01:21:14,649 --> 01:21:11,900
that includes the worlds of myth and

1619
01:21:17,290 --> 01:21:14,659
folklore where people may have actually

1620
01:21:21,310 --> 01:21:17,300
been talking about something they really

1621
01:21:23,919 --> 01:21:21,320
saw in an experience they really had but

1622
01:21:25,299 --> 01:21:23,929
they didn't maybe have the best way to

1623
01:21:29,649 --> 01:21:25,309
describe it

1624
01:21:31,689 --> 01:21:29,659
so now we are left with those clues to

1625
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,699
try to piece together what actually

1626
01:21:36,879 --> 01:21:33,440
happened and what they actually didn't

1627
01:21:38,799 --> 01:21:36,889
see and experience it makes me think

1628
01:21:42,879 --> 01:21:38,809
with what you just said there and

1629
01:21:48,969 --> 01:21:42,889
something that Marla had varla sorry I

1630
01:21:52,959 --> 01:21:48,979
had said earlier I I've often speculated

1631
01:21:55,810 --> 01:21:52,969
that these things are are here with us

1632
01:21:59,020 --> 01:21:55,820
you know all the time we just can't see

1633
01:22:02,140 --> 01:21:59,030
them because I mean I have had people

1634
01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:02,150
tell me and I've and I've read similar

1635
01:22:06,850 --> 01:22:04,369
accounts where somebody will see

1636
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:06,860
something you know unusual you know like

1637
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:11,329
a weird creature or a a person you know

1638
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:13,489
with five arms or something like that

1639
01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:16,130
walking down the street and whenever

1640
01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:19,369
this thing realizes that it's being seen

1641
01:22:24,189 --> 01:22:22,280
it looks surprised you know it notices

1642
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:24,199
that it's being noticed and it looks

1643
01:22:31,540 --> 01:22:28,130
shocked I I hear that so many times well

1644
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:31,550
you know a bridge tiger likes to tell

1645
01:22:40,370 --> 01:22:35,090
the story about how would he was growing

1646
01:22:43,729 --> 01:22:40,380
up in Minnesota boy yeah when he was

1647
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:43,739
growing up he saw a little creature well

1648
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:46,610
he called them years later the other

1649
01:22:54,590 --> 01:22:50,010
standing on a tub outside the I think

1650
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:54,600
the base basement window looking through

1651
01:23:02,060 --> 01:22:57,900
the the window and being discovered and

1652
01:23:04,220 --> 01:23:02,070
they kind of met I - I and and you know

1653
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:04,230
I mean bread it doesn't hallucinate I

1654
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:07,860
mean that for years anyway and he you

1655
01:23:13,820 --> 01:23:10,500
know he's he's a very for you a serious

1656
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:13,830
and a student researcher of this you

1657
01:23:19,879 --> 01:23:16,650
know subject that matter that we've been

1658
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:19,889
discussing tonight and I I think that

1659
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,199
there have been other people in the that

1660
01:23:26,209 --> 01:23:25,199
had been drawn to the paranormal which I

1661
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:26,219
guess this is kind of the

1662
01:23:32,540 --> 01:23:29,610
all-encompassing term that I would I

1663
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:32,550
would label this on there have been

1664
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,330
drawn to this area or this arena because

1665
01:23:42,140 --> 01:23:39,120
of things that have happened to them as

1666
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:42,150
a youth being a UFO sighting a ghostly

1667
01:23:51,140 --> 01:23:46,290
encounter or or something more elemental

1668
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:51,150
as a sighting of the of a fairy or a no

1669
01:23:58,250 --> 01:23:54,000
more I mean how did the whole idea of

1670
01:24:00,680 --> 01:23:58,260
you're a gnome on your lawn I mean

1671
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:00,690
obviously people must have seen gnomes

1672
01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:02,850
under one but they wouldn't they

1673
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:04,440
wouldn't be chimera in every commercial

1674
01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:10,320
on television today you know there

1675
01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:12,600
little protection spirits and you you

1676
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:14,280
would at one point you would make a

1677
01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:16,050
little offering to the fairies if you

1678
01:24:21,979 --> 01:24:18,630
wanted your garden to grow so and by

1679
01:24:25,540 --> 01:24:21,989
fairies I mean gnomes and and garden

1680
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:25,550
Pixies and things of that nature so when

1681
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:28,860
you're dying on your garden to actually

1682
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:31,110
feed your family especially these things

1683
01:24:35,060 --> 01:24:33,420
were critical and you see this you know

1684
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:35,070
there's so many gods that are associated

1685
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:38,250
with crops and the success of crops and

1686
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:39,810
what you're supposed to leave behind and

1687
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:41,670
on a sort of a humble sort of you know

1688
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:45,330
garden plot level the gnome was a you

1689
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:47,070
know a little fanciful woodland creature

1690
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:49,679
that would be good luck if he were

1691
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:52,159
around and especially in parts of

1692
01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:54,300
Scandinavia you have

1693
01:25:00,920 --> 01:24:57,450
little sort of creatures called like the

1694
01:25:02,990 --> 01:25:00,930
Niecy and the tomten and their pointy

1695
01:25:04,510 --> 01:25:03,000
hadded little gnome like guys that you

1696
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:04,520
put out on your doorstep around

1697
01:25:09,230 --> 01:25:07,110
Christmastime and yeah they bring good

1698
01:25:11,690 --> 01:25:09,240
luck to you and gifts to your to your

1699
01:25:14,270 --> 01:25:11,700
house and so no wonder I've been missing

1700
01:25:15,620 --> 01:25:14,280
out on those good things Christmas you

1701
01:25:22,820 --> 01:25:15,630
really should probably rub your gnomes

1702
01:25:26,810 --> 01:25:22,830
belly more frequently oh hey what was it

1703
01:25:28,820 --> 01:25:26,820
going to say gnomes and well what else

1704
01:25:30,980 --> 01:25:28,830
did we see and like it have been borne

1705
01:25:34,010 --> 01:25:30,990
out in TV commercials and ads and all I

1706
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:34,020
mean you know from time to time course

1707
01:25:42,650 --> 01:25:37,770
leprechauns they seem to get the de

1708
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:42,660
brunt of everybody's job I love

1709
01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:44,130
leprechauns they're actually one of my

1710
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:46,500
favorite creatures and I learned a lot

1711
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:48,930
of things when I was writing this most

1712
01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:51,780
recent book about leprechauns and about

1713
01:25:57,230 --> 01:25:54,450
kind of their what they are most known

1714
01:26:00,580 --> 01:25:57,240
for and they have a well other than

1715
01:26:03,230 --> 01:26:00,590
smoking pot right so basically

1716
01:26:06,580 --> 01:26:03,240
leprechauns are like as we think of

1717
01:26:10,610 --> 01:26:06,590
leprechauns today those are more sort of

1718
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:10,620
mmm how do I say it a culturally

1719
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,970
insensitive version with a you know

1720
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:17,280
there was a lot of derogatory terms for

1721
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:19,890
Irish immigrants and the sort of early

1722
01:26:25,340 --> 01:26:23,010
late 1800s and early 1800s when they

1723
01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:25,350
were coming to you to the United States

1724
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:28,980
and so the idea of the Leprechaun kind

1725
01:26:33,140 --> 01:26:30,540
of looking in this certain way with a

1726
01:26:34,970 --> 01:26:33,150
bowler cap and having this kind of you

1727
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:34,980
know pleasant little accent and all that

1728
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:38,730
that that's a bit of a bit of an

1729
01:26:43,610 --> 01:26:41,850
exaggeration based on an idea that the

1730
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:43,620
Irish did bring over to the United

1731
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:45,090
States which is the belief in

1732
01:26:49,220 --> 01:26:46,530
leprechauns and that they do protect

1733
01:26:50,500 --> 01:26:49,230
gold in store and that you are they are

1734
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:50,510
very lucky

1735
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:54,570
in fact leprechauns are cobblers and one

1736
01:26:58,160 --> 01:26:56,010
of the ways that you can find a

1737
01:27:01,040 --> 01:26:58,170
leprechaun is not by chasing the rainbow

1738
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:01,050
but by listening for the tap tap tap of

1739
01:27:06,860 --> 01:27:03,540
his little tiny hammer on his cobbler

1740
01:27:08,090 --> 01:27:06,870
bench I remember a song shoes to make my

1741
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:08,100
feet at Dan

1742
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:10,050
singing dancing dancing all the night

1743
01:27:13,070 --> 01:27:11,730
away or something like that when the

1744
01:27:18,230 --> 01:27:13,080
cobbler went to sleep

1745
01:27:22,370 --> 01:27:18,240
they came out and put two you know works

1746
01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:22,380
on the shoes yeah cheap labor even in

1747
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:24,780
even in Germany you leave your shoes out

1748
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:26,760
for like for Santa to come you don't

1749
01:27:30,140 --> 01:27:28,650
leave out a stocking you leave you

1750
01:27:32,570 --> 01:27:30,150
polish your shoes and you leave them by

1751
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:32,580
the front door or just outside the door

1752
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:34,650
so in heat and then they're filled with

1753
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:36,570
treats and things like that but anyway

1754
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:39,360
the the whole tapping thing reminded me

1755
01:27:45,260 --> 01:27:40,800
very much as sort of the idea of the

1756
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,270
Tommyknockers and yes that word welled

1757
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:46,800
in the mines and that the Cornish miners

1758
01:27:51,860 --> 01:27:49,890
would bring over and they would think of

1759
01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:51,870
as protective spirits so that it would

1760
01:27:56,690 --> 01:27:54,450
keep them from you know the mines

1761
01:27:58,280 --> 01:27:56,700
collapsing and running out of air and

1762
01:27:59,390 --> 01:27:58,290
things like that you listened for the

1763
01:28:03,500 --> 01:27:59,400
Tommyknockers and the Tommyknockers

1764
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,510
would actually guide you to safety or to

1765
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:05,760
warn you of an area that you were

1766
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:07,530
supposed to leave some of the gold there

1767
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:11,250
for them so we did a book a spooky

1768
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:13,380
treasure but I can't remember the name

1769
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:16,260
of it spooky treasure chests the Tim

1770
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:19,590
opens the name of a spooky treasure

1771
01:28:25,190 --> 01:28:22,260
troves okay and there's a chapter in

1772
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:25,200
there on the topping Tommyknockers yeah

1773
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:27,690
in fact there is a bar up in the

1774
01:28:31,220 --> 01:28:30,480
mountains in Colorado called the

1775
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,230
Tommyknocker

1776
01:28:37,550 --> 01:28:33,840
and they haven't all set up like what

1777
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:37,560
the would be inside of a you know a

1778
01:28:42,380 --> 01:28:40,050
mineshaft with the little the things

1779
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:42,390
that you bring the gold out on the the

1780
01:28:45,770 --> 01:28:43,770
trolleys and little miniature

1781
01:28:58,220 --> 01:28:45,780
Tommyknockers and they even have

1782
01:28:59,950 --> 01:28:58,230
Tommyknocker beer knocks you down will

1783
01:29:03,470 --> 01:28:59,960
mention you again next week

1784
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:03,480
there you go and and and speaking of

1785
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:06,330
next week we are kind of rounding the

1786
01:29:12,110 --> 01:29:10,290
corner here Tim and that means we've

1787
01:29:16,850 --> 01:29:12,120
only got a few minutes left and I do

1788
01:29:18,980 --> 01:29:16,860
want to allow our guests to to tell us

1789
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:18,990
about what they're working on and the

1790
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:21,120
books that they've written where they

1791
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:22,690
can be purchase

1792
01:29:30,090 --> 01:29:27,280
their blogs and and what-have-you so

1793
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:30,100
we've got six minutes to do that in so

1794
01:29:36,690 --> 01:29:34,960
let us start with you Maria I have

1795
01:29:42,270 --> 01:29:36,700
another book out called the power of

1796
01:29:48,420 --> 01:29:42,280
archetype now in September it's an

1797
01:29:51,690 --> 01:29:48,430
emergency survival guide book for next

1798
01:30:04,590 --> 01:29:51,700
year on celebrity ghosts and notorious

1799
01:30:06,420 --> 01:30:04,600
hog boy online offline and I encourage

1800
01:30:07,980 --> 01:30:06,430
people to always go by a

1801
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:07,990
brick-and-mortar stores because they're

1802
01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:09,910
going out of business well I was just I

1803
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:13,060
was not going to say yeah yeah yeah my

1804
01:30:21,660 --> 01:30:19,090
website is calm and how many in how many

1805
01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:21,670
books have you written today can you can

1806
01:30:28,350 --> 01:30:26,230
you give us an exact number or are they

1807
01:30:41,250 --> 01:30:28,360
just the so numerous that you can't

1808
01:30:47,460 --> 01:30:41,260
remember I'm up to 20 and I have I'm

1809
01:30:49,530 --> 01:30:47,470
trying to catch up to Nicaragua you've

1810
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:49,540
got myself in Brad's Tiger to beat and

1811
01:31:03,230 --> 01:30:56,650
that'll be we've got what what what year

1812
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:06,990
2003 so we've got I I've got a few years

1813
01:31:12,210 --> 01:31:10,210
let's see we just republished reprinted

1814
01:31:13,050 --> 01:31:12,220
a book that I did when I was fourteen

1815
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:13,060
years old

1816
01:31:18,750 --> 01:31:15,790
somebody found the me of it so somebody

1817
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:18,760
found the copy of it and it was printed

1818
01:31:25,260 --> 01:31:21,130
on a mimeograph machine but this time we

1819
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:25,270
had somebody said reset to the that I

1820
01:31:30,150 --> 01:31:27,370
retype it out and so it looks a very

1821
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:30,160
handsome and you know it was me Jerry

1822
01:31:34,980 --> 01:31:32,770
Clark and and a few other researchers

1823
01:31:35,250 --> 01:31:34,990
George Forsyth and we weren't too we

1824
01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:35,260
weren't

1825
01:31:42,230 --> 01:31:37,300
too bad I mean the writing wasn't shabby

1826
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:42,240
even at that even at that point but

1827
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:44,650
anyway well Maria we're always looking

1828
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:48,730
forward to your you know your next work

1829
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:51,850
in Varla how about you where do we catch

1830
01:31:58,200 --> 01:31:54,610
up with you you can find me on my

1831
01:32:01,830 --> 01:31:58,210
website is Varla Ventura dotnet so

1832
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:01,840
that's just my name dot net my most

1833
01:32:06,030 --> 01:32:03,760
recent book came out just in April of

1834
01:32:09,810 --> 01:32:06,040
last year and that's fairies pookas and

1835
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:09,820
changelings and I've just completed the

1836
01:32:14,190 --> 01:32:11,650
man you saw completed the manuscript

1837
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:14,200
last fall and it will be coming out I

1838
01:32:20,100 --> 01:32:17,970
think in in June or July of this year

1839
01:32:22,290 --> 01:32:20,110
2018 and that's Varla Ventura is

1840
01:32:25,140 --> 01:32:22,300
paranormal parlor and that's a

1841
01:32:27,330 --> 01:32:25,150
collection of everything from hauntings

1842
01:32:29,420 --> 01:32:27,340
and haunted places but also one of my

1843
01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:29,430
favorite topics which is sort of the

1844
01:32:35,190 --> 01:32:32,440
psychic arts and the origins of some of

1845
01:32:37,530 --> 01:32:35,200
spiritualism and the role of women in

1846
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:37,540
the spiritualist movement

1847
01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:42,310
I love I love surrealism I love that now

1848
01:32:46,230 --> 01:32:44,350
who were the I've even done a book on

1849
01:32:48,150 --> 01:32:46,240
the Davenport brothers which were either

1850
01:32:51,660 --> 01:32:48,160
the biggest fakes of the big or the best

1851
01:32:54,510 --> 01:32:51,670
of physical manifestations of the spirit

1852
01:32:56,460 --> 01:32:54,520
world ever and then there were two uh I

1853
01:32:58,050 --> 01:32:56,470
think it was two gals that did the

1854
01:32:59,580 --> 01:32:58,060
psychic paintings they would just leave

1855
01:33:01,680 --> 01:32:59,590
the little buckets of paint on the floor

1856
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:01,690
and it would kind of like paint itself

1857
01:33:07,620 --> 01:33:05,170
oh I'm not sure who that is but I do

1858
01:33:10,850 --> 01:33:07,630
know that the Fox sisters were but my

1859
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:10,860
travel the Davenport brothers for

1860
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:14,610
successful charlatans ISM over an exam

1861
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:17,050
and there's sort of these guys these

1862
01:33:22,490 --> 01:33:20,560
guys levitated banjos and violins and

1863
01:33:27,330 --> 01:33:22,500
things would come floating out of the

1864
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,340
you know the the spirit cabinets and an

1865
01:33:30,750 --> 01:33:29,440
entire marching band could be heard but

1866
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:30,760
then when they opened the doors to the

1867
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spirit cabinet they were you know they

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were tied and nobody pay any attention

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to the man behind the curtain or behind

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or behind a bureau I think in those days

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well and also it also Tim of course like

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I say we have our own weird winged

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wonders that are

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be coming out probably in about two

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weeks you can find that on Amazon and if

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you want to slip into a parallel

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dimension

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we've got UFOs time slips other realms

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and this science of fairies and Tim what

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are you working on currently well I'm

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I'm currently working on a chapter for

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the wing weirdos book that that you just

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mentioned my chapter will we'll deal

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with dragons and flying snakes and kind

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of like the the mythology of dragons

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from you know ancient to biblical times

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to to modern times and then flying

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snakes and the the idea that possibly

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that well I know here in Indiana you

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know back in the 19th and early 20th

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century there was a people who actually

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cited these these gruesome creatures

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well you know that's why they have the

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TV show was an eerie Indiana because

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there are a heck of a lot of eerie

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things that go on in Indiana like

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they're broadcasting from there every

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year we con explore exploring the

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bizarre and Ocasio our radio network and

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don't forget to go to youtube there for

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tile and see this all visually laid out

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before you thanks to Peter and Tim and

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there are two guests tonight thank you

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very much it's been a very exciting

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program and I'm off to meet my I'm off

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to meet my mermaid friend here

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you've been listening to exploring the

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bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and T

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Swartz they're taking back the night by

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jetting non-stop across the cosmos in

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search of the truly bizarre and totally

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unexplained with you as their combined

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Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

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10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital

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radio for more information on exploring

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the bazaars and hosts Timothy Becky and

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Tim Swartz check out their K cor digital

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radio network follow their youtube

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channel at M our UFO 1100 explore the